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Dec 5, 2012 11:00pm PST
tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, th
MSNBC
Dec 8, 2012 1:00am PST
% aren't the clinton tax rates, period. no ifs, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> not necessarily going up to the clinton era rates. just going up. today at a press conference at the capital, bain got a question about this. listen carefully to how he responded or didn't respond. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize this call? and also we understand that he just is making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit? maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, but just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president, if east serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> not a
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 10:00am PST
our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one. >> the rebels gain on assad raising fears he might use chemical weapons. that was enough to frighten the russians into talking with hillary clinton about a political transition. >> the united states stands with the syrian people in insisting that any transition process re -- result in a unified democratic syria in which all citizens are represented. the future of this kind cannot possibly include assad. >> a tragic turn of events in london. the nurse that first transferred that prank call to duchess catherine is found dead. david axelrod shaves it all off on "morning joe." >> joe scarborough. >> are your friends at the white house watching? >> laughing, i'm sure. >> laughing. >> his sacrifice is paying off a bet after he and his wife susan raised more tha
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 2:30am PST
rock in new york city. and we begin with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earner. yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. p what i've suggested is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax refor
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 8:00am PST
for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 1:00am PST
"republicans are seriously considering a doomsday plan if fiscal cliff talks collapse entirely. it would be quite simple. house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. ." two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more detail including this amazing quote from rep michael c. burgess of texas. "there's always better ground, but we have to get there." in this case the better ground is exchanging the threat of a congressionally induced recession for the threat of a congressionally induced global financial crisis combined with recession. that, that is your better ground? that's a big plan? it's not -- it's not better ground for the economy. and, frankly, i find it difficult to see how it's better political ground even for the gop. i figured, i didn't get it. so i figured this was beyond my small political bra
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 7:00am PST
republicans and it is in fact easier for democrats to go over the fiscal cliff than it is for republicans because then all those tax cuts from the republicans are swept away. but it's too early. it's only december 6. we've got until december 31st and in washington that's a long time. >> a lifetime. you wrote yesterday the republicans are waving a white flag as big as a bed sheet. you wrote "right now bain ser hoping to lead his fractious gop to an orderly surrender. the question is no longer whether republicans will give on taxes, they already have. all that remains to be be negotiated is how they will increase taxes. s so what's the likely scenario as you see it now? >> the fact they have surrendered, saying we're offering up an $800 billion tax increase, that's a big deal but it doesn't save us from the fiscal cliff. as susan was suggesting, there's a long time to go between now and the 31st. they have to wait until that long because neither side wants to appear to be giving in too early. that means they've given away more than they had to. you've got the president out there stirring the pot, trying to bring public op
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 9:00am PST
crunch period. do the minimum that is possible now to stop us falling over the fiscal cliff, then when it comes to actual tax reform later next year, that will be the white house opportunity. democrats are saying we don't buy that. we're going to do it now, a majority. country supports us doing it and we're going to do it right now. it's a little bit the inverse of the republican argument that if we give you tax hikes now, how do we know we're getting the spending cuts later. democrats are saying the same thing, but in reverse. >> they feel they have the wind in their sails, not only because of the election, but people talk about debt ceiling being leverage. it would not be good for their party. >> that's exactly right. >> let's hear from jen first, ezra. i have a policy question for you. >> i think the debt limit is something that republicans are willing to put out there and hold over the democrats' head, as crazy as that is, but at the same time, there are a couple of dynamics, political dynamics, going on here. one, if you look at the exit polling from the election, it's not just that democrats in washington fee
MSNBC
Dec 11, 2012 7:00am PST
dangerous game, trying to negotiate a deal to avert the fiscal cliff and using public pressure to try and sway the outcome. exhibit a, the president rallied the crowd on monday in michigan to make the point he's looking to drive home. taxes have to go up on the rich. >> so when you put it all together what you need is a packet that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families. we make some tough spending cuts on things that we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> but here's exhibit b. republicans still have the majority in the house. and many conservatives say they have their own mandate in their districts to cut spending and stop the president from raising taxes. and that brings us to exhibit c republicans are determined to play the long game to win. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% that have run the government for 11 days. you just got re-elected. how about doing something big that's not liberal, how about doing something big that really is about partisan. every big idea he has is a liberal idea that drowns us in debt. how about manning up here, mr. president, and use your mandate to bring this country tog
MSNBC
Dec 10, 2012 10:00am PST
to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over the last round of budget negotiations. in the meantime, the anti-union fight, which is michigan. the heart and soul of the labor movement. after saying it was their best prank ever, are these crocodile tears? the aussie dj's are all apologies now that the nurse has tragically committed suicide. >> i mean, personally i'm -- >> the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut wrenching. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed the fiscal cliff talks this week in that opening skit. president obama says he is giving in to republicans to save boehner face. >> you know what, republicans, you win, okay? you get what you want, but you lee had man alone. you leave this poor, orange man alone. yo
MSNBC
Dec 10, 2012 5:00pm PST
. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40 years after man's last trip to the moon, a return voyage may be a reality. astronomer derrick ditz will tell you why the golden spike is a big deal. good to have you with us, folks. thanks for watching. the new republican strategy is to take the american economy hostage when they don't get what t
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 7:00pm PST
talk about the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and msnbc's krystal ball. governor dean, our treasury secretary is a very carwful speaker. when asked if they're prepared to go off the cliff, his first word was absolutely. there was nothing, nothing could be more clear that this administration means what they say about getting what they want at this point. >> yeah. the only problem is -- this is a little initially going to team like heresy, the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start. we won't get out of t
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 10:00am PST
a tax increase for 98% of americans if a deal the on the fiscal cliff is not reefed. while negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >>
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 2:30am PST
"morning joe," the president signals he is ready to take the plunge over the fiscal cliff if he doesn't get the tax increases over the wealthy. but will republicans agree to a broader deal? we have that conversation just ahead. when we come back right here, we're going to huddle around the water cooler. we have to get some space. let's put them in another room. allen simpson resorts to dancing "gangnam style" to make people interested about the debt. >> that's not pretty. >> we'll be right back. >>> i'm over. i'm done. >> let's go to the control room. >> we hear it's a strong -- >> what's your nickname? >> i know you know korean pop phenom and his song is one of your favorites. >> you should see my brother do this. >> you're not alone. it's youtube's most watched video. it even rubbed off on the debate over the national debt, specifically on 81-year-old senator allen simpson. >> stop instagramming your breakfast and getting on youtube until you can see "gangnam style." ♪ and start using those precious social media skills and go out and sign people up on this baby, three people a week. let it grow. take par
MSNBC
Dec 11, 2012 10:00pm PST
of things including the fiscal tax -- sorry. the fiscal cliff looming ahead of republicans and the sort of begrudging view towards reality that the tax rates are going to rise. he talks about marco rubio and paul ryan and offering a vision for the gop. but at the end of the day, marco rubio has said i don't want to pursue comprehensive immigration reform. and look -- >> let's be honest here. >> go ahead. marco rubio said he's not so sure science is a form of evaluating how old the earth is. gave me a break here. you can put lipstick on a pig, it doesn't change the pig. these guys are trying to dress themselves up and avoid talking about the issues. as long as they nominate people like todd aiken and richard murdoch, they're not going to avoid these issues. and as long as they have primary voters who make mitt romney, as they called himself a severe conservative. he was severe all right. they can't win. they can win if they change themselves. they got to stop beating up on gays. stop beating up on immigrants. stop beating up on muslims, and understand what america is really about. a
MSNBC
Dec 8, 2012 11:00am PST
impact this would have. in terms of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man with that most-watc
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00pm PST
. president obama has all the leverage because he knows if it goes over the fiscal cliff, taxç cuts expires and he'll never let the top 2% get that tax cut reinstated. if they do what you suggested, vote the tax cut, continue it for the 98%, then the leverage switches to them come the time of the debt limit. they might be able to make a deal where they save some of it so it doesn't go up to 39%. maybe goes up to 37.5%. maybe they do the buffett rule and only raise rates on people making $500,000. they have a little room to leverage but right now they have zero leverage, zero. >> do you agree with that? i don't know if i agree with that. it's hard once the rates go back to 39.6 or whatever they go to, to go back and say, now we to want cut taxes for the rich. what's the reason to do it? the republican party says we have to stop the government, stop paying our debts, don't pay our bills anymore because we have to help out the rich now. that would be the worst situation to be in. >> as the conversation shifts really to the bottom line in the deficit. at the end of the day the whole thing is about -- it's optical illusions and face saving fo
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 7:00am PST
gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new. >> -- the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets these standards. it cuts spending, paves the way for real job growth in our country. in the five weeks since we
MSNBC
Dec 9, 2012 12:00pm PST
hear a lot of talk about how they want to focus on the taxes and get us over the fiscal cliff. but as i said before, it doesn't matter what the president says about the debt ceiling fight. republicans are not budging on taxes without entitlement reform. they're willing to go over the cliff and when there's nothing else to talk about but the debt ceiling increase in january, it has to be for medicare reform and exchange. >> dollar figure on entitlement reform, what are you thinking? >> the president has offered $400 billion. they would look for, they don't think those are real aggressive reforms. they would look for a higher number and they would look for more substantial changes to the program. they don't think those are really getting at the drivers of debt in the program. >> ed, politico today, there's an article on entitlements. republicans ready to get any victory that they can. according to this article. the article goes on to say quote they're going to have to lower their sights by a lot. from the big ideas they pushed in the presidential campaign. with obama in the white house for another four years, republicans are looking for something much smaller. even a down payment on medicare. that they can still cal
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 3:00am PST
view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is american companies have lots of money sitting overseas because they don't want to bring it back and be taxed in the united states. so that is something that puts as one of his eight points because it is holding back investments by american companies. >> all right. the new issue of "the economist" is "the world in 2013." daniel franklin. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. stay with us. much more on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional values during the season of audi event. with brandy who is stocking up for the holidays. look at that price. that's great! if you find a lower adv
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 9:00am PST
payroll tax cut? these are parts of the fiscal cliff negotiations we have not paid a lot of attention to, and also the white house's argument about further stimulus spending, undermined by this notion out there based on these numbers that the economy is recovering? >> yeah. i think that's right. i think the problem with a good number and decline in the unemployment rate it takes away from the argument that the fiscal cliff would be this ultimate disaster, we can't afford to do it, look at these jobs numbers they're terrible, need to move to make sure there's no austerity, no big spending taxes. that argument is less powerful when you see a report like this. to ayman's point, it's right to say that every jobs report can be off by hundred thousand jobs. the trend is 150,000 per month for two years. these jobs reports are almost the same. on consumer confidence that's the most important factor in the fiscal cliff and the trend is decent but today's number terrible. 84 to 72, the fiscal cliff fears are starting to impact the way people spend their money. if that continues into december for t
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 5:00pm PST
cliff. >> it says a signal to people that the senate passed tax cuts for 98% of americans but they won't do it in the house. that was before the election. and i just holding the ground is going to be important, no question about that. i get a sense the democrats are unified. but going over the cliff, that affects the constituents big time. correct? >> how do you hold that together? >> there's unanimity that july 25th, we passed tax cuts for the 98% to continue this tax policy that they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 3:00am PST
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a hard line, warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 7:00am PST
, fiscal cliff later. both sides have said this has to be a two-step process, there has to be some kind of commitment in downpayment on taxes and entitlement cuts and sets up a framework for broader and comprehensive tax and entitlement reform next year because it is such a big, huge change to how we tax and how we would provide medicare and medicaid and social security, you can't do it all in four books. this new idea that republicans get more leverage if they give the president taxes now and hold out on, and hold the line on the debt ceiling like they did last summer successfully is something that is new and i think a different kind of two-part plan that republicans are starting to consider as maybe a backup plan that gives them the ability to say we lost the 2% tax hikes now, but we're going to fight later on the debt ceiling. >> let me bring in congressman james lang foford, fifth rankin republican in the house, congratulations, good morning. >> thank you, good morning. >> let me ask you about the possibility of some sort of two-step solution and do you think if you wait it would give republicans leverage? >> i don't know i
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 8:00am PST
from this fiscal cliff nonsense? >> thomas, what wall street hates most of all is uncertainty and it's counterintuitive, there's actually plenty of certainty now. what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the deficit is going to be reduced, some of that money is going to be released. just like ed schultz said, this is all very good news for the american economy. >> so basically the uncertainty is what's providing the certainty moving forward because people across the country will look at this and the hand wringing that's taking place in washington, d.c. back and forth. the framework that could come out of this could mean a much better booming economy? >> i think so. what's been holding back the 2d trillion on the sidelines is corporate ceos
MSNBC
Dec 10, 2012 9:00am PST
coming on-line because of health care. the fiscal cliff issues, et cetera. let the speaker do what the speaker does best, and that's negotiate his deal. >> the other michael steele, in this town, which is to say speaker boehner, one of his spokes people, released this tidbit of information, and i stress the word tidbit because it is ever so small. discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains a republican offer, and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. when they are in a room together, do they stare at each other and not talk? presumably like some words are communicated and there is some ball moving somewhere if not forward then to the side? >> i'm going to twitch my eye a little bit. you're going to have to guess which entitlement i'm talking about. i think that's the case. i mean, it seems like part of the boehner strategy is he is just kind
MSNBC
Dec 13, 2012 2:00am PST
one place. good morning to you. with just 19 days left until america goes off that fiscal cliff, tensions are rising. house speaker john boehner is warning his fellow republicans not to make any christmas plans and tea party conservatives are in no mood to negotiate on tax hikes. >> i tell them come to me after you've gotten rid of all the spending. come to me when you get rid of the $3 million you spent last year to watch monkeys on methamphetamine. come to me after you pay for the money you spent on watching a robotic squirrel. >> tracie potts is live with the latest. >> reporter: good morning. no movement to report in the fiscal cliff. we can tell that you across the country mayors and governors are becoming increasingly concerned about the impact back home. there's growing angst on capitol hill over the fiscal cliff. >> figure it out. >> it's really time to get serious. >> reporter: mayors are getting nervous. >> congress needs to act immediately. >> reporter: and the public is worried. in our new nbc/"wall street journal" poll, 70% of democrats and 59% of republicans urge compromise. the country is evenly split over whether that will happen. republicans rejected president obama's latest plan to accept less tax revenue and sent the exact same offer back t
MSNBC
Dec 13, 2012 12:00am PST
. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching details of the latest fiscal cliff counteroffer from the white house have emerged, and republicans are still whining and complaining. the white house confirmed their new offer has $1.4 billion in revenue from higher taxes on the wealthy. the previous offer was $1.6 billion. the white house is offering $340 billion in cuts to medicare and $250 billion in cuts to other programs. president obama spoke to abc's barbara walters about taxes on the rich going up whether republicans like it or not. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no. >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high-end individuals like you and me, barbara, we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> the full interview between president obama and barbara walters will air friday at 10:00 p.m. on abc. we do know the president said this. "i'd like to see a big package, but the most important thing we can do is to make sure that middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. raises the medicare eligibility age will not be a big part of this package." the president said," when y
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 12:00am PST
air. rove and joe trippy were asked to give their recommendation on the fiscal cliff. >> make believe you want to get to the compromise. >> let's cap it, itemize deductions. if you cap it at $25,000, you can lower all tax rates 20%, plus kill the alternative minimum tax forever and still have $1.3 trillion in revenue. or if you do it at $50,000 cap, it gives you $800 billion. >> oh, yes, rove is still the master of make believe. but he still must be under the impression that romney won the election. there's no way president obama and the democrats are going to lower tax rates by 20%. i've got to cut him some slack, though, it's been almost a month since he's had the opportunity to lie in public. as for dick morris, he's found something to do during his fox exile. ladies and gentlemen, the dick morris launch alert. ♪ >> don't give up. that's what we'll talk about today. there's a lot that we can do. there's a lot that we have to do in order to save this country of ours. >> and i am so glad to see dick morris is still on his toes. next, dick cheney is up to his old tricks, attacking u.s. foreign policy and advocating for endless war. colonel lawrence wilkerson will be here to weigh in. >>> let's just pretend
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 2:30am PST
it could take a christmas miracle to get both sides to agree on a fiscal cliff deal. meanwhile, the president said he's confident republicans will cave on the tax increases. we'll discuss the fiscal cliff with our "morning joe" panel. >>> and now, mercifully, i need your help. are you with me on this one? the phrase fiscal cliff, i'm over it, time's up, date reached on the expiration, nails on the chalkboard annoying. can't we be a little more creative? this is where you come in. e-mail your alternative to the phrase "fiscal cliff," and i'll use the best one tomorrow on our show. we won't use fiscal cliff, i promise. so far, my best, budgetary bluff? yeah, the bar's been set very low. >>> up next, we'll huddle around the water cooler, where jon stewart stepped out of his comfort zone with an eminem-inspired rap for the michigan protesters. >>> well, enough with the real news. let's gather around the water cooler. and first, a little moment of silence. louis louis, who wouldn't miss a second of on-camera opportunity has been talking to the porcelain god all night. not sure why. we wish you the best, louis. see you tomorrow morning. >>> well, a day like to
MSNBC
Dec 10, 2012 1:00am PST
fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> in public, the lines are drawn. but behind the scenes, the give and take over taxes and entitlement cuts point toward a deal by christmas. what is standing in the way? this morning, the debate is right here. the house speaker's top lieutenant, congressman kevin mccarthy, and top white house ally, the assistant senate majority leader, dick durbin. mccarthy and durbin square off. >>> then, what is the political endgame for both republicans and democrats? who wins and who loses as this fight drags on? >>> plus, the future of the republican party is a hot topic as both sides start plotting the 2016 campaign. our political roundtable features two former capitol hill insiders, newt gingrich and lawrence o'donnell. plus, three journalists on the story. >>> the looming fiscal cliff 22 days away. we'll go inside the negotiations with two top leaders in just a moment, but i want to start with the ongoing crisis in syria where the assad government is cracking down on its own people. and this week something significant happened. the president signalled a big potential shift in u.s.
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 12:00pm PST
if it means diving over or sliding down the fiscal sloping cliff thing and apparently 3% said neither. i'm not really sure that's an option. it does kind of make sense. it looked like we were on the cusp of a compromise and we have this. >> i remained the most optimistic person in the town, but we have serious differences. the president and i have frank conversation about how far apart we are. >> one step forward and two steps back. the latest dueling counteroffers, the white house lowered tax revenue target from 1.6 trillion down to 1.4 trillion and increased cuts by $200 billion to which the gop responded by having the plan we thought looked similar to the original offer. that was helpful. let's go on where we are with the fiscal cliff. i am becoming increasingly pessimistic that we are going have a deal done by january 1st. i don't think that's the end of the world, but basically democrats and republicans are living in two realities right now. democrats feel like we won an election and we are holding ought will cards. we don't have to compromise and want to compromise. republicans
MSNBC
Dec 10, 2012 7:00pm PST
republican alive who could stop what's going to happen. >> with the fiscal cliff just 22 days away. >> we're down to the final three weeks. >> the president is on the move. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> president obama on the ground in michigan. >> i will work with republicans. >> delivering a speech at an engine manufacturing plant. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> they are ready to make a deal. >> they are ready to make a deal on tax rates. >> republicans know that they have to give on taxes. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who can stop what is happening. >> senator corker has nailed this one. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> you have to have leverage. >> we don't have the leverage. the power isn't there. >> could a secret meeting seal the deal when it come to the fiscal cliff? the white house says it can happen. >> president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house. >> their first one on one in three weeks. >> the heavy lifting is going to have to happen this week. >> if this we
MSNBC
Dec 11, 2012 12:00pm PST
a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getting a serious deal done before the holidays. if you talk about all of the intricate things that wonks on both sides maybe could agree, i'm not sure i would agree to any of them, they're so complicated. senator durbin made this point. maybe you force changes on medicare or social security, i hope not but if you do, you can't do that in ten days or five business days or whatever it is. these things take a lot of time and so for the president to -- for democrats to agree to sort of kick the can, extend the tax cuts for another period of time is crazy. they hold all of the cards in this particular game and they should demand that republicans show their cards and make some concrete proposals. >> well, joan, speaking of democrats holding the cards, one of the things that people have been it on pointing out the leverage democrats have is debt ceiling and another hostage situation like we had in
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm PST
again made clear there will be no deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff without the rich paying a higher tax rate. got it? higher rate. in this interview on bloomberg tv, he made it. let's listen. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms in entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> there you heard it again, top rates have to go up, and rates. and some republicans are saying that the gop will ultimately say uncle. conservative columnist byron york, a very smart guy, wrote, quote, republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest income americans. the only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. "new york times" columnist david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class taxes in order to serve the rich. sha
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 2:00am PST
haley's called." >>> some conservatives are having emotional debates over the fiscal cliff negotiations. the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date, like lunatic. >>> and in australia, prime minister julia gillard talked about the supposed prediction by the mayan calendar that the end of the world is coming in two weeks. well, she did it for a comedy video for a radio show. >> i'm confident in the prediction that the world is about to end. whether the final blow comes from flesh-eating zombies, demonic hill beasts or from the total triumph of cable, if you know one thing about me, it i
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 7:00pm PST
thursday through sunday. >>> coming up, who isn't talking about the fiscal cliff? well, the tea party. later in the rewrite, why abraham lincoln spoils the never raised taxes argument for republicans. that's coming up >>> what hillary clinton said tonight about running for president. >>> later, we will have a very special update about the kind fund. zeebox would be some sort of fancy, french mustard. just like adding fancy mustard to a hotdog makes you go "woah!," zeebox adds video, info, and playalongs to spice up your favorite shows. download zeebox free and say "woah" every time you watch tv. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa
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Dec 5, 2012 2:00am PST
of any tax increases that come could come out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. >>> and finally, politico reports ashley judd is seriously considering a run for mitch mcconnell's senate seat in kentucky. judd has talked with new york senator gillibrand and a democrat being pollster. judd is honored at being considered. and that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. now a check of your national weather. we turn to bill karins. he has the weather channel forecast for you. which continues to be a little toasty. >> a little balmy. >> put the sunscreen on. nice. >> you probably needed it in some spots. so many stories of flowers and trees and green glass and lack of snow out there. but things have changed. this map shows you where it's gotten colder and warmer compared to this time yesterday. and you notice that chicago is much colder right now. you've returned back to normal winter conditions, while the eastern seaboard is even warmer this morning than it was yesterday. yesterday it was very warm. we are watching a few showers out there, too, but these temperatures, they're not
MSNBC
Dec 13, 2012 3:00am PST
based on people i'm talking to, get a temporary measure to avert the fiscal cliff. so they can extend that by a matter of months. at least get the middle-class tax extension done in a bill, and maybe they set up a framework where they say we're going to, you know, cut $600 billion out of the medicare program. we're going to do it in the year of 2013. the committees will be assigned that task. if they fail to come up with it, then there will be a trigger that forces that amount of cuts, sort of a sequester 2. i think that's one of the ways they go about this. you are right, talking to the white house, they want to hear boehner say yes, i'll do the tax increases first, and i can deliver those votes before the president's in a position to commit what he's already committed to, by the way. things like being open to raising the medicare retirement age or means testing. i think raising the age right now could be tough on his left flank. but some of this stuff was already on the table last year. >> and i think that's a really important point that the republicans don't give obama credit for. that he has put a lot of that stuff on the table. and he is prepared to
MSNBC
Dec 7, 2012 12:00pm PST
agree. i think that the fiscal cliff and it is a cliff, on january 1 withholding taxes go up to the tune of $400 billion. >> not necessarily. >> it would have a very negative effect on the economy. according to the legislation they would, jared. >> they would not. >> jared, you have to -- >> let me make a point. the treasury secretary can decide if he or she believes a deal sl imminent not to adjust withholding tables. very important. >> i'm talking about no deal and we go off the cliff. >> we go off and stay off. >> it's $400 billion. we have a lot of things to do with regard to our debt ceiling, and my feeling is no one really believes the united states of america is going to default on its debt even if it lapses. we're dealing with different things. one is real and substantive and the other is psychological. >> i really disagree. >> i know you do. >> we could have a good discussion about this if we had more time. the idea that if the debt ceiling lapses, peter, that means that we can no longer borrow from credit markets and can't finance our debt. >> we're doing most of our borrowing
MSNBC
Dec 12, 2012 1:00pm PST
. >>> the fiscal cliff is coming to town. >> he says he's an optimist. >> i remain optimistic. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town. >> but he doesn't sound optimistic. >> i'm pretty confident republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage. >> we've got differences. >> taxes are going up one way or the other. >> the president and i had a deliberate talk. >> the key is to make sure the taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. >> they're going to have to cave in on this rate increase on the rich. >> we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve. >> the time is running short. >> merry cliffmas. ♪ >>> bundle up, everybody. because it is cold out there. and with just 12 days to hanging our stockings by the chimney and 20 days until the dreaded fiscal cliff, there's a distinct chill in the air. after the exchange of new offers, the president phones john boehner last night for one what aide described as a tense call. the speaker today, he had a bit of trouble finding just the right word. >> the president and i had a deliberate talk. i didn't say it was tense. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation. >> okay, well, whether it was tense or deliberate or frank, it's
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